Has Google Got Your Number?

Monday, April 6, 2009 12:11
Posted in category SEO

Now this is going to be a very interesting debate, and you are probably going to call me nuts but I want to mention some recent observations that have happened to me recently. As you guys know I have been trying to build as many websites as possible. New domains, old domains, anything I have is now in the develop me que to at least make better use of them. I build some what higher quality sites so it takes me about a day to bust out a site.  This does kinda suck since the plan is 1,000 sites but if they are making more than $1 then I am better off as many had mentioned.

Now the problem that I ran into was that all of my sites were getting sandboxed. I mean all of them. I was busting out WP blogs with content I wrote myself, and started link building. I am well aware of link building red flags and I knew to do this slowly so I didn’t fuck myself over. But a new site I made two weeks ago only has 66 links and was still sandboxed. I was starting to go nuts and lose hope for this idea of getting any seo traction for anything. It felt as if I had wasted a few hundred dollars and well over a weeks of time! How did they know to sandbox everything I made? I am in like 40 different niches with different themes, scripts, wordpress, and non-wp sites.. How…the fuck.

This weekend I really started to look into the matter since its going to seriously kill my income if nothing I do can get ranked anywhere. Based on the information I had the only thing I could think of is that Google is either targeting me personally e.g. Name, Addy etc (though most sites have private whois, thanks namecheap), my namesever, or my ip. This is the only way they can cast out this broad net and catch most everything I make.

So assuming Google doesn’t have the power to find my name/company and all traces of my personal info on domain whois I passed this idea up. I am sure they CAN do it, but that’s a lot of fucking work on their end and I am quite a small fish. So if its not my name its my host/ns/ip.

I have been using a old hostgator account for like 5yrs for most new projects since it was easy to just addon new sites. $10.00 unlimited domains and SQL it was a nice setup. I think I had about 200 domains setup in that account and like 50 subdomains from various projects that I have done over the last 5yrs. Could they actually be the problem? I did a IP neighbors check on one of my old sites to see what all else was in there. What I noticed was a lot of garbage. Pure garbage everywhere… It seems everyone loves these $10 hosting accounts and just uses them for affiliate sites and spam. I didn’t see 1 legit looking site on my entire server with them. After seeing this it kinda made it seem as if I was not as crazy as I thought. I mean if you knew of a server ip range that was known for bullshit why not flag it? Its not like google cares about your business or anything they can do whatever they want.

So last night I had enough and did a full transfer using cpanel from hostgator to a new hosting account. (Btw, that transfer tool in cpanel is amazing.) I changed over all my info with my registers and went to sleep. If I woke up in the morning and my sites didn’t work id know something went wrong… After waking up and going about my business I made sure the transfer went alright and checked that everything was in order. So when will i know if I was right or not?

Well 10mins ago just out of curiosity I checked the serps for a keyword I was targeting. The site I had made got to like page 5 and then was removed from the first 20 pages.. that thing was long dead and gone. So I check the keyword.. and WTF!!! My site is now ranked #1 for my term overnight. A few other things happened to this domain so its hard to tell right now which one caused my site to go from sandbox to #1 but I think it was the hosting move. It is way to early to state the facts, nothing happens overnight. But this site having such a drastic change in its rankings has made me kinda wonder.. Ill continue to moniter things and see what happens and post a update at a later date to see the out come after a longer period of time.

Slight Update 4/6/2009:

The site that I mentioned in the post now holds the #1 and #2 positions for its keyword. So its gone from no serp ranking to 1 and 2 overnight.

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16 Responses to “Has Google Got Your Number?”

  1. Marjory says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 12:22 pm

    That is amazing. I will definitely be looking forward to hearing the updates. Do you know if your old IP neighborhood was tagged on any e-mail blacklists? Any easy way to check your neighbor quality other than just eye-balling them? How did you decide they were spammy (besides the obvious)?

  2. Matt Mauldin says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    Seriously, keep us updated on this one. My personal blog is on Hostgator and I was about to transfer a few of my affiliate sites under that hosting account. But I’m going to hold off until you find out a little more. Thanks again.

  3. Who are your IP neighbours? - Indian Domain Names Forum says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm

    [...] are your IP neighbours? I was reading an article on Beer Monies that talks about IP neighbours. The author states that all his/her sites were getting sandboxed: [...]

  4. Ad Hustler says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm

    Interesting. I wonder however if its just coincidence. You should do a fresh test, build a site on your old server with your old settings. Give it only 1 day. Then move it and see if on day 2 or 3 your indexed.

  5. John Carcutt says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 3:15 pm

    Hey … Nice write-up, you mentioned “So assuming Google doesn’t have the power to find my name/company and all traces of my personal info on domain whois I passed this idea up.” Well they became a registrar for this very purpose and my guess is that it is rather easy for them to make the connections.

    A couple of questions? Did you move ALL of your sites to the new host? Did you get and did you have a dedicated IP? When you “I changed over all my info with my registers and went to sleep.”, did you change anything other than the DNS servers?

    Interesting observations, looking forward to the follow-up long term.

  6. BeerNuts says:

    April 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm

    @Marjory Having built many a shady site in my days I can pick out the crap pretty easy. Basically I looked at the sites look, content, and links, you can tell if time and effort were put into them by a basic visit.

    @ John Lets hope the day dose not come where Google will ban me from the internet based on my name. (1) Yes I did a full transfer (2) They are on a dedicated IP (3) I just changed the name servers with the registers.

  7. louie says:

    April 7th, 2009 at 2:07 am

    Your not crazay!!

  8. phrench says:

    April 7th, 2009 at 4:45 am

    Is the new hosting account also on Hostgator?

  9. seobro says:

    April 7th, 2009 at 12:15 pm

    Guess Hostgator is swamp with spam.

  10. Domain Superstar says:

    April 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm

    Very interesting observations. Has anyone else noticed something similar?

  11. xentech says:

    April 8th, 2009 at 4:37 am

    I’ve made quite a few new sites on hostgator and haven’t really noticed anything, but I typically let them age a bit before developing fully.

  12. joe says:

    April 15th, 2009 at 4:13 am

    so where are you hosting now, I have a hard time picking new web hosts.

    toss up an aff link

  13. Off-White Hat says:

    April 18th, 2009 at 6:34 am

    Well this is an incredibly interesting post. I have a shitty shared hosting account with GoDaddy that I’ve had forever that I’ve used for testing stuff and it has basically had the same problem. Anything I throw up on there gets a little honeymoon traffic and then withers up and dies.

    Perhaps it is time for a hosting exodus.

  14. Rob says:

    April 19th, 2009 at 3:13 am

    Dude, if you are seriously going to do this, we have to talk at ad tech. Now you know why I have a morphing template generator :D

  15. San Diego SEO says:

    May 4th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Interesting, I had the same thing just happen to me, where I was climbing the ranks for a particular keyword of interest and then, wham, I’m nowhere to be found. I’m speculating as to what happened, I grew to about 230 links in a week and a half and am not sure if google thinks that was too quick. Anyone know what google thinks to be natural growth?

  16. Jason Venters says:

    January 26th, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    The big G knows way too much. Sometimes too much for their own good. This obviously states how they were wrong to box you. One thing I usually do is build single links at first to try to avoid the sandbox on a fresh domain. Great find here though. Relentless!!!

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